[03:14:42] ** erikrose has left IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [04:02:38] [connected at Fri Sep 16 04:02:38 2005] [04:02:38] <> *** Looking up your hostname... [04:02:38] <> *** Checking ident [04:02:42] <> *** Found your hostname [04:03:09] <> *** No identd (auth) response [04:03:09] <> *** Your host is clarke.freenode.net[clarke.freenode.net/6667], running version hyperion-1.0.2 [04:03:09] [I have joined #peak] [04:03:09] ** clarke.freenode.net set the topic to PEAK mailing list is back up [05:44:42] ** vlado has joined us [06:54:58] ** vlado has left IRC ("Leaving") [08:19:45] ** erikrose has joined us [10:14:31] ** erikrose has left IRC () [10:28:26] ** erikrose has joined us [10:39:44] ** erikrose has left IRC () [10:50:08] ** erikrose has joined us [11:26:52] ** erikrose has left IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [11:30:26] ** erikrose has joined us [12:14:53] ** vlado_ has joined us [12:44:10] ** vlado_ has left IRC ("Leaving") [13:09:53] ** sprout has joined us [15:10:19] Does anybody understand how belonging to a DM and having a parent component are related? [15:11:48] For example, on line 512 of elements.py, the Element class overrides setParentComponent() to do this (under certain conditions): [15:11:51] self._p_jar = parentComponent [15:12:32] However, EntityDM.add(), while it changes _p_jar, doesn't change component parentage. [15:13:28] Right now I'm just having a hard time instantiating a domain object (an Element subclass) outside a DM; I can't get it to hook into the component hierarchy despite trying lots of things. [15:13:52] All lookups on it terminate in a root-component-not-found error, for obvious reasons. [16:01:28] Grr, is it impossible to have an Element subclass (or, perhaps more specifically, an IPersistent implementor) unassociated with a DM and yet part of a component hierarchy? [16:04:10] That seems at odds with the now-encouraged practice of first instantiating your Element subclasses and later add()ing them to a DM. [17:03:37] ** erikrose has left IRC () [19:33:52] ** erikrose has joined us [21:24:15] ** vlado has joined us [22:01:28] ** sprout has left IRC ("Snak 5.0 IRC For Mac - http://www.snak.com") [22:05:18] ** erikrose has left IRC () [22:19:27] ** vlado has left IRC ("Leaving")