[00:24:51] ** sprout has joined us [00:25:34] ** sprout has left IRC (Client Quit) [04:02:26] [connected at Thu Mar 17 04:02:26 2005] [04:02:27] <> *** Looking up your hostname... [04:02:27] <> *** Checking ident [04:02:27] <> *** Found your hostname [04:02:57] <> *** No identd (auth) response [04:02:57] <> *** Your host is sterling.freenode.net[freebsd.widexs.nl/6667], running version dancer-ircd-1.0.35 [04:02:57] [I have joined #peak] [04:02:57] ** sterling.freenode.net set the topic to http://dirtsimple.org/2004/11/generic-functions-have-landed.html [04:34:05] ** vlado has joined us [12:10:50] ** hazmat has joined us [12:33:53] ** hazmat has left us [13:01:42] ** sprout has joined us [15:23:39] ** pje has joined us [15:24:04] ** pje has left IRC (Client Quit) [15:43:15] ** tav|offl1ne has left IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:43:19] ** tav|offline has joined us [15:47:44] fooooooo [15:47:56] i wish i was making it for the sprints [15:50:45] when are you coming? [15:52:10] tues. [15:52:16] although i might be able to leave sunday [15:52:21] which would afford me a couple days [15:52:32] that wouldn't be too bad [15:52:48] I might have to leave saturday morning.. depending on how much I can get done before then [15:53:02] not sure if I can make it out tomorrow [15:54:26] time to work on static rendering [15:54:43] then finish making MarsEdit happy [15:54:49] and ill be close to something usable [15:55:00] although im tempted to rewrite the backend to use svn [15:56:53] maybe it's best to do that in 0.2 [15:57:55] yah [15:58:15] this is where a lot of my projects die... i get something almost working, then decide for more complexity [15:58:21] and end up losing interest [16:00:12] these blogging XML apis are such crap [16:00:27] im trying to decide which MarsEdit profile(s) to use [16:00:29] yeah they are terrible, but easy to use if you're dumb [16:00:54] "other MetaWebLog-compatible" seems broken [16:01:00] maybe blogger is the best way togo [16:01:26] the MovableType/WordPress one works [16:01:41] does it support deleting posts? [16:01:51] um.. maybe, never done that [16:01:54] thats not too important anyways [16:03:16] ** redLED has joined us [16:04:14] ** redLED has left us [16:05:03] im looking forward to your pyobjc talk(s).. i feel guilty having this powerbook and not making more pretty apps [16:05:16] I still need to write those (!) [16:05:28] a pb-based client for Minnow in cocoa would be fun [16:05:43] haha, sounds like me [16:06:08] at every other conference I've ever spoken at, I'm usually writing my talk up until the minute I give it.. so probably [16:06:25] ill prolly give a talk next year [16:06:28] writing and/or coding [16:06:45] the only downside to PyCon is that speakers don't get anything special [16:06:46] about either managing huge networks or subverting Perl culture in companies [16:06:48] not even a reduced price [16:06:52] thats lame [16:06:56] yeah [16:07:14] im flying by the seat of my pants on this work project [16:07:23] but it is money going to the PSF, so I don't complain that much [16:07:47] i think ill be all set tho.. i have to have it basically working by the time i leave for pycon [16:08:09] I have like 20 little things that I need to do [16:08:19] and several big-ish ones [16:08:43] py2app release, PyObjC release, PyObjC talk 1, PyObjC talk 2, N different work things [16:08:49] various errands [16:08:52] ugh [16:09:07] yeah, thats quite a bit [16:09:21] especially since that N is not small N [16:09:39] yeah, luckily we just hired some interns, two of which are really bright [16:09:46] i feel ok leaving some open stuff with them [16:10:36] I'm going to need to start hiring some people or shedding work soon or I'm going to go crazy [16:12:02] they fired the guy who was kinda my personal lackey [16:13:06] time to go forrage for food scraps left over from the board meeting [16:13:10] bbiab [16:21:31] blah, nothing good [16:21:41] i miss the bubble days of free food [16:22:14] yeah seriously [16:22:19] and massages [16:22:47] yep, the roving chair massage people [16:22:53] we must have all been on crack [16:23:19] but damn was that crack good [16:23:26] oh god was it ever [16:24:17] 29-Dec-99 [16:24:17] 277.88 [16:24:17] 304.00 [16:24:17] 277.50 [16:24:17] 303.56 [16:24:18] 382,800 [16:24:20] 303.56 [16:24:22] oops [16:24:25] that was supposed to be horizontal [16:24:33] closing prices in dec 99 [16:24:39] hehe [16:25:02] too bad no one vested until it crashed [16:25:26] yeah that happened to a lot of people [16:26:18] god damnit I hate windows line endings [16:26:23] ugh [16:26:41] that was one of the first scripts i wrote in python.. [16:26:44] `unixify` [16:29:36] well it's just that MSVC decided to change all the line endings in a file [16:29:40] so the diff is worthless [16:29:52] took me minutes to look to make sure that nothing actually was in conflict [16:35:08] ugh, that happens with idiots here [16:35:16] who check in stuff after viewing it in windows [16:35:46] back when i had to do tech-lead type stuff for software releases, i'd be in charge of watching the diffs and doing merges [16:35:51] and that would bollocks everything [16:46:57] *shudder* [16:47:03] well this wasn't even other people [16:47:07] it was just me on two computers [17:24:30] haha [17:24:34] "ZODB's FileStorage is bristling with locks protecting multi-threaded [17:24:34] access to file objects, therefore that can't be stupid. QED" [17:24:38] tim peters is great [18:49:37] haha, yeah i just read that [19:23:08] what do MT/WordPress do with what you put in the 'keywords' pane [19:23:15] are they just tags/categories? [19:23:52] yea they're just categories [19:24:09] maybe ill have the categories be somewhat static [19:24:18] and keywords be tags that you can add at will [19:24:19] nah [19:24:22] just make a tag a tag [19:44:40] ** bear_ has joined us [19:46:00] ** bear has left IRC (Nick collision from services.) [19:46:03] bear_ is now known as bear [19:52:52] etrepum : does editPost work for you in MarsEdit? [19:53:01] w/ wordpress [19:54:02] yes [19:54:30] I have definitely been able to retrieve, create new, and edit existing posts [19:55:06] when I moved my blog from PyDS to WordPress I wrote a script to post all the entries, then I went and cleaned them all up with MarsEdit... [19:55:30] actually, now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure delete does work, because I tossed a couple entries in the process [19:56:04] (basically anything that said anything remotely good about PyDS, plus another entry or two that didn't have content worthy of keeping) [19:57:19] haha [19:57:56] its all these incestuous APIs... aliased to one another [19:58:06] to support any you basically have to support all [19:58:30] that's totally whack [19:59:00] yeah its just boring really, [19:59:02] I wonder why they didn't just use something that looks like flat files plus WebDAV [19:59:12] like, duh. [19:59:14] yeah [19:59:22] i do like marsedit as a front end tho [19:59:26] yeah [19:59:45] rather than having to load up this huge pyds thing [19:59:48] the whole blogging API scheme is a big stupid circle jerk.. what the hell were they thinking? [20:00:13] i dont know...thinking too much about how important and cool they were [20:00:35] dave 'i invented blogging' winer [20:00:40] WebDAV pretty much fits exactly what they're trying to do, but better [20:02:22] actually I know why, because these people are php/perl programmers [20:02:45] yep [20:02:47] they're obviously in a holding pattern where the right solution doesn't often occur to them [20:04:45] all those ridiculous blogging conferences [20:05:28] yeah seriously [20:05:32] podcast me a river [20:06:13] there was one at harvard recently about 'blogging credibility and ethics' [20:06:25] i wanted to go over and heckle them [20:06:27] but i didnt bother [20:06:30] hack the planet! dude, TV, radio, and journalism is so old school. Blogging and BitTorrent will save the day! [20:06:57] the mainstream media will die by our hands! blogs are self-correcting! [20:07:14] we need to establish a code of ethics! [20:07:17] har har har [20:07:39] and then put it in a wiki for all to edit [20:08:01] "Open Sourced by some crowd called Google, whoever they are.", haha [20:09:48] haha [21:50:03] ** sprout has left IRC ("Snak 4.13 IRC For Mac - http://www.snak.com")