[03:11:09] --> Maniac has joined #peak [03:11:13] %weather cywg [03:11:16] Current conditions at Winnipeg Int. Airportman., Canada: It is 20 C (68 F), windspeed is 12.87 km/h, and visibility is 24.14 km. (Information current as of 2003.08.25 0200 UTC). [03:11:20] %seen pje [03:11:22] Last saw pje: Sat Aug 16 16:58:26 2003 UTC (about 8 days ago) [03:11:30] %seen jack-e [03:11:32] Last saw jack-e: Thu Aug 21 14:27:14 2003 UTC (about 4 days ago) [03:27:55] %channels [03:27:57] I am in: #osims, #peak [07:02:43] --> jack-e has joined #peak [07:04:09] --- jack-e has changed the topic to: PEAK http://peak.telecommunity.com || wiki hidden at http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevGuide || IRC logs http://peak.uh.cz/irc-log [07:04:23] --- jack-e has changed the topic to: PEAK http://peak.telecommunity.com || wiki hidden at http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevGuide || IRC logs at http://peak.uh.cz/irc-log [07:04:50] w.b. radek ;-) [16:52:38] --> _jpl_ has joined #peak [17:56:08] --> jolby has joined #peak [18:03:12] <_jpl_> Hi Joel [19:38:09] --> _Maniac has joined #peak [19:38:14] <_Maniac> %seen jack-e [19:38:15] Last saw jack-e: Mon Aug 25 07:04:50 2003 UTC (about 13 hours ago) [19:39:32] <_Maniac> ah, the 'other' bot is back :) [20:06:37] --> pyniac has joined #peak [20:15:55] _jpl_: Hi _jpl_, hi Maniac-- sorry for the late response, how's it going for folks in Peak-land? [20:19:52] <_Maniac> hi jolby [20:19:59] <_Maniac> don't know, just got back from holiday's [20:20:01] <_Maniac> %seen pje [20:20:02] Last saw pje: Sat Aug 16 16:58:26 2003 UTC (about 9 days ago) [20:20:55] seems like quite a few folks are on vacation around here. Where'd you go for vacation? [20:22:14] <_Maniac> minneapolis [20:22:51] never been there, but I'd like to head up to the boundary waters some time and do a canoe trip. [20:23:27] <_Maniac> I love canoe trips [20:23:37] <_Maniac> we do backcountry camping in northeastern manitoba [20:23:58] <_jpl_> Things are going pretty well, though I sure would love to have pub/sub in PEAK. :) [20:24:37] That sounds really fun. I've never done a canoe trip, but I have done a little kayaking in the puget sound. [20:25:11] <_Maniac> here's where we went: http://www.gov.mb.ca/conservation/parks/park_maps/nopiming/nopiming_water_routes.pdf [20:25:20] <_Maniac> two weeks or so ago [20:25:36] _jpl_: hehe-- me too. I haven't had much time to do any PEAK work the last few weeks. I working on a demo that could lead to some paying work (hopefully!) so that's been taking my time. [20:26:29] <_jpl_> Paying work tends to help a lot... [20:26:35] _Maniac: oohh-- that looks great! [20:27:08] <_Maniac> we did seagrem lake [20:27:34] <_Maniac> we didn't see any other group for days (which is the way we like to camp) [20:27:50] --> _Maniac has joined #peak [20:27:56] _jpl_: yes-- its been a loooong time for me. At first it was damn fun not having a job. Actually its still fun, but the money thing gets stressfull :-) [20:27:56] <_Maniac> oops i feel off the internet [20:29:09] <_Maniac> oh, jolby you're out of work? [20:29:32] <_jpl_> Arg, reading ZPT can be so painful... [20:29:55] <_jpl_> I was out of work for a long time, too. Definitely has it's good and bad sides. [20:30:58] _Maniac: well, officially no. I have my own company, and I work with two other guys who got layed off w/ me last year. We've been working on a lot of things, but haven't had any *paid* work for a long time... [20:31:43] _jpl_: Yeah-- for me it was an opprotunity to get out of the java/J2EE world and get into Python... so much nicer... [20:31:57] <_jpl_> I'm in the midst of a UI crisis -- I need a UI for what I've done with PEAK so far, but peak.web isn't ready for prime time, and Zope is just painful most of the time, and I'd do wxPython or PyQt except my users want something textual... [20:33:08] _jpl_: have you tried twisted.web.woven? or cheetah templates? [20:36:22] <_jpl_> I've glanced at Woven, and have considered using Twisted for a number of aspects of this app (which is primarily daemon-based), but I don't know if I want to invest the time in learning Woven just yet. Cheetah I really like a lot, and I'm using it extensively in my application already, and over the last couple days have been considering using it with WebWare versus Zope for a WUI. But I don't like having to re-invent all the security-related and TTW functio [20:37:20] <_jpl_> But right now Cheetah/WebWare do seem like the best way to use what I've already built with PEAK, especially my data managers. [20:38:05] <_jpl_> Then there's the whole issue of form management... I just hate doing WUIs, basically... they're really a pain in the ass. [20:38:25] <_jpl_> I played a bit with Cheetah/WebWare/FunFormKit a few months ago and it did look promising, though. [20:38:55] ahh. Yeah, I've gone through those calculations myself. Zope/Zope3 has so much nice stuff, but its also so huge its easy to get lost. I really like cheetah myself. I'm tossing around the idea of making an adaptor for cheetah templates so it will fit in as a twisted.web.resource object. I don't think it would be very hard. [20:39:34] I agree about WUI's being a PITA [20:39:56] <_jpl_> I'm really tempted to try to use a lot of N2's functionality and do a CLI, allowing the users to 'cd' into a record, 'ls' its contents (i.e. child records), and even edit a record via $EDITOR... [20:40:33] That would be really cool. I haven't had time to play around w/ N2 yet, but it looks really cool. [20:40:46] <_jpl_> Since my users are sysadmins, they'd probably really dig that approach. [20:41:06] definitely [20:43:05] <_jpl_> Hell, *I*'d really dig that approach [20:44:26] me too. Let me know when you implement that! :-) [20:44:28] <_jpl_> Editing a record would be ridiculously simple: type 'edit' while "in" a record (or 'edit foo' when "above" it), get back a text file with the field names and values separated by a colon (a lot like Zope's approach to metadata when editing via FTP, for example), edit the text, save, and voila. [20:45:16] nice [20:45:21] <_jpl_> Child records would be handled through separate edits, I think [20:46:26] <_jpl_> I've only had time to glance at N2's code, and have only played with it a bit so far, but it looks like a lot of the groundwork is already there. In fact, N2 is what gave me the idea in the first place [20:46:48] or you could check out a "dir" of the children. Almost like a "cvs co" [21:47:26] <-- _Maniac has quit #peak