[03:43:57] ** GoHst16 has left IRC (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [03:43:57] ** marienz has left IRC (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) [03:44:57] ** GoHst16 has joined us [03:44:57] ** marienz has joined us [03:49:05] ** DesreveR has joined us [04:00:57] ** r0nny has left IRC (Connection timed out) [04:02:51] [connected at Thu Apr 27 04:02:51 2006] [04:02:51] <> *** Looking up your hostname... [04:02:51] <> *** Checking ident [04:02:51] <> *** Found your hostname [04:03:22] <> *** No identd (auth) response [04:03:22] <> *** Your host is calvino.freenode.net[calvino.freenode.net/6667], running version hyperion-1.0.2 [04:03:22] [I have joined #peak] [08:52:46] ** DesreveR has left IRC (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [11:40:44] ** whit has joined us [11:44:35] ** whit has left IRC (Client Quit) [12:20:26] ** pje has joined us [12:57:07] ** r0nny has joined us [13:45:15] pje is now known as pje_mtg [15:27:30] pje_mtg is now known as pje [15:45:18] ** pje has left IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [15:50:32] ** pje has joined us [19:02:28] ** r0nny has left IRC ("free weekend poweroff") [19:09:09] ** k-s has joined us [19:09:19] hello [19:09:48] how do I force symbolic links to be copyed or hard linked while building with [sb]dist ? [19:10:16] using setuptools [20:24:52] I don't understand. [20:25:16] Links aren't portable, and so can't be in any distribution format, as far as I know [20:41:03] pje: I fixed it by reformulating the whole thing [20:41:06] before were: [20:41:33] eagle/, eagle/maemo/setup.py, eagle/gtk/setup.py [20:41:42] eagle/README, eagle/TODO, ... [20:42:04] I was using: cd eagle/maemo; python setup.py... [20:42:42] now I have just one eagle/setup.py that create 2 setup(), one name="eagle-gtk" and another name="eagle-maemo" [20:48:08] ** kbrooks has joined us [20:48:50] * pje nods [20:51:11] ? [20:51:15] who is pje? [20:51:26] a bot? [20:51:47] only in a metaphysical sense. :) [20:52:05] pje: tell me who you are [20:52:16] kbrooks: tell me who's asking [20:52:25] uh [20:52:31] kyle brooks? [20:52:43] You mean you don't know? :) [20:53:15] i'm kyle brooks [20:53:21] and you are? [20:53:34] oh [20:53:39] phillip j. eby [20:53:46] busted :) [20:54:13] * pje wonders why someone would start a question by asking somebody if they're a bot [20:54:20] start a conversation, I mean. [20:54:29] i dont know :P [20:54:32] ANYWAY [20:54:48] yeah, its you [20:55:15] just whoised yu [20:55:38] pje: can i call you phillip from now on? ;-) [20:55:59] pje: oh, you were nodding to someone else [20:56:02] only if you don't want my client to beep and let me know you're talking about/to me. :) [20:56:19] heh [20:56:20] Yep. [20:56:41] phillip: why did you (?) create peak? [20:57:23] because it wasn't there? ;) [20:57:49] phil(lip): what wasn't there? [20:57:52] PEAK [20:58:07] uh, ok [20:58:09] By which I mean I needed it, and it didn't exist, so I created it. [20:58:42] btw, the slogan + "PEAK" + the logo fit in together like a puzzle [20:58:50] But if you're looking for something more specific, it was originally created to do enterprise MDA in Python [20:59:05] MDA? [20:59:05] (model-driven architecture) [20:59:07] ah [20:59:08] ok [20:59:58] I want to try PEAK. [21:00:34] pje: here you go... my website: http://kbrooks.ath.cx [21:00:38] (FYI) [21:01:13] PEAK is an enormous collection of frameworks; you probably will want to be more specific about what you want to try. [21:01:25] pje: the easiest one ever [21:01:37] where easy means "trivial to use" [21:02:02] specifically, the most reinvented wheel in the UI world: events [21:02:14] er, UI library [21:02:22] Ok, so you mean peak.events? [21:02:26] yes [21:02:33] That's not a bad choice; it's not particularly entangled with the rest. [21:02:43] Only a couple of pieces used from other parts of PEAK [21:02:47] pje: feel free to challenge me :-) [21:04:19] hm, the wsgi api seems sooo trivial. heh [21:05:03] http://svn.eby-sarna.com/PEAK/examples/trivial_cgi/the_cgi.py?rev=1830&view=log [21:05:54] Well, it's an example. A ZFR or "ziffer" (Zero Functionality Release) [21:06:05] ? [21:06:09] That is, a thing that you can use to show that everything else works, besides the part that does something [21:06:26] It's always good to start with a ZFR, because then you know any bugs you get after that are in your new code. [21:06:50] See, if you take the trivial example that *works* and modify it, you'll know right away if you break something. [21:07:09] Whereas if you start trying to implement all your features first, you don't even know if the *environment* works [21:07:16] i.e., can the server run it, etc. [21:09:34] AH :-) [21:09:51] * kbrooks thinks pje is so talkative [21:10:12] i'm just curious about this. is there a peak.web / [21:10:14] ?* [21:10:30] ah ywes [21:54:04] bye guys [21:54:07] ** k-s has left us [22:32:09] ** pje has left IRC ("Client exiting")