[01:03:25] bear is now known as bear_afk [01:29:50] apauley|away is now known as apauley [01:51:52] Hi rdmurray [01:52:03] 'lo [01:52:11] Thanks for the tutorial, it's a great help [01:52:19] You are welcome. [01:52:26] Wish I had time to update it :) [01:52:58] Do you have any ideas you'd like to include in the tutorial? [01:53:16] Oh, plenty, and PJE has more. [01:54:14] I'll probably also update the TODO when I think of something [01:54:59] I'm not quite through the intro, but I'm thinking of more user-interfaces without changing the logic [01:55:18] And a login with integrated security [01:55:53] You don't honestly expect our corporate helloworld system to allow just *anyone* to greet people??? [01:56:37] Yeah, PJE put all those into the wish list :) [01:57:00] Of course, he has to finish rewriting the security system for peak.web first :) [01:59:02] Do you have external references/urls so that I can better understand the reasons for using peak.model? [01:59:41] Is the "model" in peak.model the same concept as in model-view-controller (MVC)? [01:59:55] Yeah, from what I understand. [02:00:04] peak.model is specifically the domain model. [02:01:22] Is it feasible to start writing a system now without logins and security, and easily just adding it later? [02:01:36] Or is it better to do security from the start? [02:02:39] Well, you can roll your own security using the hooks provided by peak.security. So yes. [02:02:57] I mean, "but yes". [02:03:36] It's probably better to design security in from the start, but I've not done anything with security yet myself. [02:03:54] I'm just thinking that I'll have to jump in and start coding, even if I'm a newbie [02:04:34] Yep. [02:04:42] Only real way to learn :) [02:04:51] I can't evaluate frameworks forever, so it'll be nice to only worry about one thing at a time [02:05:38] Have you written any interesting software using PEAK? [02:13:04] I wrote a simple billing system. Doesn't look like it is going to get deployed, but it works pretty well. [02:13:32] no web interface, though. [02:13:59] just model and storage, which is pretty much why the tutorial ends where it does :) [02:15:39] What type of interface did you use? [02:16:44] cli [02:17:29] Have considered including your app in the main PEAK distribution as a reference app? [02:18:08] No :) It's pretty crufty and specialized. [02:18:30] But, if it doesn't get deployed I might put it up somewhere so people could look at it as an example. [02:18:53] If it does get deployed I'll still share it, but it'll get cleaned up first. [02:18:59] Too bad, it would be nice to have some kind of reference app to look at [02:19:09] And to demo [02:19:19] The bulletins ap is a pretty good example. [02:19:33] That's how I learned enough to write the tutorial. Well, that and asking pje questions. [02:20:33] OK, thanks, I see now theres an examples dir in my CVS checkout [04:02:32] [connected at Wed Feb 2 04:02:32 2005] [04:02:32] <> *** Looking up your hostname... [04:02:32] <> *** Checking ident [04:02:34] <> *** Found your hostname [04:03:04] <> *** No identd (auth) response [04:03:04] <> *** Your host is benford.freenode.net[unknown.sagonet.net/6667], running version dancer-ircd-1.0.35 [04:03:05] [I have joined #peak] [04:03:05] ** benford.freenode.net set the topic to http://dirtsimple.org/2004/11/generic-functions-have-landed.html [05:16:30] I just read the GraphvizTutorial [05:16:55] Now I have a somewhat better understanding of the uses of peak.model [05:17:29] And I included a link to the GraphvizTutorial in Lesson 2 of IntroToPeak [06:08:38] rdmurray: In lessen 4 of IntroToPeak the acronym "DM" is used. [06:09:12] I'm assuming this refers to the Data Manager, but it could also be confused with Domain Model [06:09:35] Data Manager is correct. 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