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[14:16:43] echo [14:23:47] [Global Notice] Hi all. The latest news item on the freenode website (http://freenode.net/); it will be of interest to projects and groups across the network. Please take a look, and thank you for using freenode! :) [14:24:56] do you know much about peak.web? [14:51:10] peak.web is not my forte [14:51:22] that's a pje question or jack-e [14:51:31] afaik jack-e is playing with it right now [14:51:36] what's the question [14:51:38] ? [14:51:46] well, its pretty simple (I think) [14:51:57] all i know is peak.web is basically not ready for prime-time unless you want to do some of the heavy-lifting yourself [14:52:07] it seems to me that writing a web application with peak.web requires Zope [14:52:16] yes the publisher iirc [14:52:28] I have been (badly) burned by Zope in the past, and have no desire to have it on or near my hard drive [14:52:38] but, I really like the concepts behind peak.web [14:52:43] especially the DOMlet stuff [14:52:51] ja [14:53:17] oh. well, it only uses the publisher iirc. So you dont' have to actually 'use' zope [14:53:50] there's like no aquisition and shit [14:54:04] 'and shit' is a technical term of course [14:56:49] heh [14:56:50] of course [14:56:59] well, I guess PJE is the man to talk to [14:57:23] but, if it can be avoided, I think getting rid of any dependencies on Zope would be *very* wise. [14:57:33] I know I am not the only person who is turned off by Zope. [14:58:36] i'm neutral in position on that issue. i use zope for some minor stuff and am not adverse too it [14:59:40] fair enough. [15:00:02] the thing that bothered me about it is that PEAK is a "kit" or a collection of frameworks [15:00:09] kits generally depend on minor modules and libraries [15:00:20] not massive application servers [15:00:32] it would be far better just to copy the code into PEAK from Zope. [15:00:36] than to depend on it. [15:01:15] it uses z3 i think [15:01:22] yes [15:01:48] feel free to voice that with pje :) [15:01:55] I am working on a project where I am interested in using peak (and more importantly with peak.web) [15:02:08] and I would love to use peak.web behind mod_python [15:02:23] I will definitely share my concerns with him. [15:03:13] hmm. i have no idea how one would go about peak.web with mod_python [15:04:00] thats what I was wrestling with :) [15:04:09] I think its certainly possible. [15:04:19] but, I am currently still attempting to grok the whole peak.web thing [15:04:44] it's possible that jack-e is working on using the twisted-httpd [15:05:06] that would be more palatable :) [15:05:13] but, I am not really very familiar with twisted. [15:05:28] """peak.web apps using twisted webserver.""" [15:05:38] no he still import z3 :( [15:05:43] # Zope3 imports [15:05:43] from zope.publisher.publish import publish [15:05:49] yuck. [15:05:51] i'm full of crap. i know nothing of z3 [15:05:54] heh [15:06:05] as i said they just use the publisher afaik so it's not a killer [15:06:06] I know enough of Z2 to not be interested in getting screwed by Z3 [15:07:17] * Maniac waits for pje to magically appear [15:07:47] * panix might just send an email to the list [15:08:50] do that, we love email [15:11:02] ** panix has left us [16:45:59] ** sremington has left IRC ("Laugh while you can monkey boy!") 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