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[00:50:02] <_jpl_> I know have some of the Junction example working with peak.events, but it's not quite right yet.
[01:05:55] <_jpl_> Now it's working.  :)
[01:06:52] <_jpl_> Client.doWork() is now a peak.events thread, and as pje suggested Server is an EventDriven subclass with a single property (myService).
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[09:53:18] <charlie> Hi, anyone could give me a bit of help?
[10:01:31] <charlie> Anyone out there?
[10:27:34] <charlie> Hi, anyone could give me a bit of help?
[10:41:26] <hazmat> you can ask, i dunno that i can help
[10:48:07] <charlie> I'm quite new to PEAK and just trying some of the smaller examples but even the simplest constructions fail
[10:48:24] <charlie> things like w = binding.Make(...)
[10:48:52] <charlie> I get this:
[10:48:54] <charlie> AttributeError: 'LazyModule' object has no attribute 'Make'
[10:49:09] <charlie> seems like binding has nothing like 'Make' 
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[10:52:57] <charlie> hi gpciceri
[10:53:18] <gpciceri> hello
[10:53:26] <charlie> are you a PEAK user?
[10:53:42] <gpciceri> a beginner one
[10:53:53] <charlie> me too
[10:54:05] <charlie> i just get error messages
[10:54:32] <gpciceri> I've only reviewed some samples
[10:54:50] <charlie> even the simplest sample does not work for me
[10:55:01] <charlie> like this one:
[10:55:17] <charlie> from peak.api import binding
[10:55:20] <charlie> class Car:
[10:55:29] <charlie>      passengers = binding.Make(dict, attrName = 'passengers')
[10:55:38] <charlie> i get this error message:
[10:55:45] <charlie> AttributeError: 'LazyModule' object has no attribute 'Make'
[10:56:05] <charlie> have you any idea what's wrong?
[10:56:06] <gpciceri> Car hinherit from binding ?
[10:56:17] <gpciceri> inherit ?
[10:56:21] <gpciceri> let me check
[10:56:21] <charlie> no, it does not
[10:57:13] <gpciceri> well, I take no error, which PEAK release are you using ?
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[10:57:47] <charlie1> just a sec
[10:58:28] <charlie1> just downloaded and installed PEAK-0.5a2.win32-py2.2.exe 
[10:59:15] <gpciceri> I've done a cvs checkout yest.
[10:59:30] <charlie1> are you on Windows?
[10:59:43] <gpciceri> and I'm using python 2.3.3 on linux
[11:00:33] <charlie1> hmm, PEAK did not install with Python 2.3 so I had to remove it and install 2.2
[11:00:56] <gpciceri> do an install from sources
[11:01:32] <charlie1> do you suggest trying it with Python 2.3?
[11:02:35] <gpciceri> well, if it is not a big issue for you...
[11:03:00] <charlie1> ok, gonna try this     thanks for the advice
[11:03:07] <gpciceri> have you an DSL
[11:03:08] <gpciceri> ?
[11:03:30] <charlie1> i do
[11:04:07] <gpciceri> try with activestate (for windoze)
[11:05:13] <charlie1> you mean the activestate version of Python?
[11:05:36] <gpciceri> when I used win, I've installed AS
[11:14:16] <Maniac> i use peak with python2.3 (gentoo linux)
[11:14:29] <gpciceri> Maniac, hello
[11:14:54] <Maniac> it may be the tutorial is woefully out of date
[11:15:06] <Maniac> gpciceri, hello
[11:15:21] <charlie1> i've thought of that, Maniac
[11:15:35] <charlie1> no better tutorial seems to exist
[11:15:51] <Maniac> check the wiki for up-to-date examples
[11:16:10] <charlie1> do you think that there exists no binding.Make anymore?
[11:16:57] <charlie1> it works for gpciceri
[11:16:57] <gpciceri> no, the sample you've given to me works
[11:19:21] <Maniac> no,no binding.Make defineately is current
[11:19:37] <Maniac> if you do: w = binding.Make(something)
[11:19:45] <Maniac> er
[11:20:23] <charlie1> then gpciceri must have an older installation
[11:20:28] <Maniac> no
[11:20:36] <Maniac> which example?
[11:21:03] <Maniac> oh, the version you have is older
[11:21:07] <Maniac> binding.Make is new API
[11:21:15] <Maniac> it used to be binding.Once or something
[11:21:26] <charlie1> just downloaded the newest version
[11:21:38] <charlie1> i think it is the newest
[11:21:46] <charlie1> a win32
[11:22:15] <Maniac> ok alpha 3 is unreleased
[11:23:13] <charlie1> what do you think i should do then
[11:25:27] <Maniac> if you want any of the examples to work from the wiki you have to d/l cvs i guess
[11:25:37] <Maniac> http://peak.telecommunity.com/Meta/SourceandBinaryReleases.html
[11:25:51] <Maniac> there's a link there for latest cvs as a tar.g
[11:25:53] <Maniac> er tar.gz
[11:26:06] <Maniac> you can unpack that in windows and install via distutils:
[11:26:10] <Maniac> python setup.py install
[11:26:18] <charlie1> ok, gonna give it a try
[11:26:28] <Maniac> cvs is generally very stable
[11:26:42] <gpciceri> charlie1, I confirm I'm using py 2.3.3 and CVS PEAK
[11:27:10] <charlie1> i've got to go        thanks to you gpciceri and Maniac     see you later
[11:28:34] <Maniac> cheers
[11:28:42] <Maniac> gpciceri, any supybot work lately?
[11:28:58] <Maniac> :)
[11:33:02] <gpciceri> Maniac, you're joking with me
[11:33:04] <gpciceri> :-9
[11:33:06] <gpciceri> :-)
[11:33:33] <Maniac> yes
[11:33:41] <gpciceri> I'm still thinking if it's better build a jabber bot that uses supybot plugind
[11:33:51] <gpciceri> plugin
[11:34:24] <gpciceri> I really like to reuse your bot framework
[11:34:31] <gpciceri> the twisted+peak one
[11:34:39] <gpciceri> I mean
[11:35:24] <gpciceri> to run some of supybot plugins
[11:36:30] <gpciceri> but I'm not too confident that make sense let the supybot run over jabber transport, there are too many IRC-specific issues.
[11:36:43] <gpciceri> any idea aout this ?
[11:36:46] <gpciceri> about
[11:53:19] <Maniac> i have the same issues
[11:53:37] <Maniac> i looked at the plugin code and couldn't wrap my head around re-using their plugins for my bot
[11:54:22] <Maniac> in theory my bot can talk IRC if i make a network adapter for it but that has never been tested
[11:55:22] <gpciceri> o.k., you make an adapter to "convert" jabber instruction to IIRC one
[11:55:26] <Maniac> and right now my bot is not "group" aware
[11:55:29] <gpciceri> sould make
[11:56:03] <Maniac> all i'm doing is doing:  self.transport.sendMsg(to='someone', msg = 'somemsg)
[11:56:28] <Maniac> with the idea that 'transport' could be plugable
[11:57:42] <Maniac> i was thinking of a way to load supybot plugins but they all 'assume' irc as far as i can tell
[11:58:02] <gpciceri> the problem with supybot plugins is that they use an irc object that do the network conversation
[11:58:06] <Maniac> exactly
[11:58:17] <gpciceri> this is not seen as a pluggable service
[11:58:21] <Maniac> no
[11:58:31] <gpciceri> like in a peak approach
[11:58:55] <Maniac> so what i was thinking is that i *could* plugin MSN, yahoo or whatever via a 'transport'
[11:59:04] <Maniac> but again, never tested :)
[11:59:28] <Maniac> plus i can just use jabber -> msn transports on the jabber server
[11:59:32] <Maniac> msn-t
[11:59:37] * Maniac has to work
[11:59:37] <gpciceri> yes
[11:59:51] <Maniac> or wait for a jabber -> irc transport server side
[12:00:06] <Maniac> and then having to write all my own plugins (which i was hoping to 'borrow')
[12:02:12] <gpciceri> the gaim approach (the client has the translator) seems more flexible, but one of the most powerful ideas under jabber is that is the server that performs the multi-IM networks transaltions
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[17:17:12] * Maniac dances around _jpl_ as he waves
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[18:03:34] <_jpl_> I wish Cheetah weren't so tightly coupled with Webware.  It works fine without it, but it comes with lots of extra (code) baggage if you're using it on its own. If I had time I'd take the core of Cheetah and redo it with PEAK.
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[21:22:38] <pje> I just popped in to leave a note for JPL, enquiring what he likes about Cheetah that can't be done with p.w.t... :)
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[22:24:10] <Maniac> er, python web templates ?
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[23:27:36] <Maniac> zope page templates are the shizkit
[23:47:04] <_jpl_> Uh