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[07:03:46] <jack-e> lo peak'ers
[08:30:52] <Maniac> hey!
[08:36:09] <jack-e> how was christmas ?
[09:14:08] <Maniac> good
[09:14:10] <Maniac> yours?
[09:58:48] <jack-e> nice .. dinner with parent .. at midnight all our friends met at a nice lounge for all night .. the days after i invited friends to join me in my new studio to try to get some sound out of the speakers and jam abit ..
[10:00:28] <Maniac> new studio? like you moved to a new place ?
[10:00:39] <Maniac> studio sounds exotic
[10:00:56] <jack-e> no, i moved half of my living-room into a place that i share with another friend .. 
[10:01:29] <jack-e> music-production studio
[10:01:29] <Maniac> ah, so you made room for a studio
[10:01:49] <jack-e> http://studio.fet.org:8081/studio/Planung/studio-plan03.png/view
[10:02:09] * Maniac needs to get a digital camer
[10:02:11] <Maniac> a
[10:03:22] <Maniac> that's a pretty bare plone install :)
[10:03:55] <Maniac> make it peak.web !
[10:04:05] <Maniac> or nevow
[10:05:33] <jack-e> i started playing with peak.web .. but this thing is made with ArchGenXML (from an UML-Model out of ObjectDomain) with no typing python at all :))))
[10:17:07] <Maniac> ObjectDomain?
[10:17:26] <Maniac> commercial product?
[10:17:31] <jack-e> uml tool that exports xmi files
[10:17:38] <jack-e> yup
[10:18:10] <Maniac> ah and ArchGenXML is a plone product
[10:18:20] <jack-e> right .. that creates ArcheTypes schemata
[10:18:38] <jack-e> and the Devices/DeviceCategory/Device objects are created from that
[10:19:08] <jack-e> there will be song-objects with references to devices .. the devices will reference out/inputs on a patchbay .. etc
[10:19:33] <jack-e> so that you can restore a song or get information about the instruments and tracks afterwards
[10:19:51] <Maniac> so you actually use UML modeling?
[10:20:14] <jack-e> for things like this .. yes .. not for designing frameworks .. but for designing Business-objects
[10:20:42] <Maniac> ...something else i dont' know how to do :)
[10:20:44] <jack-e> one goal of netlabslibs is to use xmi for specifying business-objects and behaviour
[10:21:42] <jack-e> if you understood object-oriented programming .. using uml just learning to use/read the symbols .. mostly
[10:21:57] <jack-e> (spoken for the class-diagramm that i used for this project)
[10:23:10] <Maniac> ah
[10:23:37] <jack-e> so i defined several classes and the way they relate to each other (class + attributes that reference other classes)
[10:24:22] <jack-e> this information is used to create the archetypes schema. generation results in a ready to use plone-product with forms/views/etc
[10:24:50] <jack-e> you can then create views for your objects using ZPT
[10:32:23] <Maniac> sounds snazzy
[10:33:23] <jack-e> yeah .. if it'ld use peak for that .. even better .. but that is still a long way to go i think
[10:35:28] <Maniac> looking at SQLEntityDM. when defining the indexSpec this is the OID?
[10:35:52] <jack-e> right .. 
[10:36:22] <jack-e> all index fields are taken from the (...) oid-tuple iirc
[10:36:48] <jack-e> (but i'm not 100% shure - havent used it for a while)
[10:36:52] <jack-e> -h
[10:36:54] <Maniac> ok just making sure. i just ground out a few EntityDM's yesterday and thought i could finally use SQLEntityDM
[10:39:00] <jack-e> i'm currently back to writing them by hand .. as i havent refactored nll to use the new binding api :(((
[10:39:14] <jack-e> no time at all...
[10:39:34] <Maniac> doh!
[10:39:43] <Maniac> yeah, i guess it's using depreciated stuff
[10:39:57] <jack-e> right .. bindToProperty etc...
[10:39:59] <Maniac> stop hanging out in lounge's and jamming :P
[10:40:09] <jack-e> hey !!
[10:41:02] <Maniac> i need to write support for interbase/firebird for peak, should be straight forward
[10:41:47] <jack-e> yup .. i think so .. i've a mysqlconn on board in several apps
[14:07:13] <Maniac> yay, working firebird support
[14:34:13] <Maniac> took 15 minutes to type and 1.5 hrs to find the typo
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[15:14:08] <Maniac> gpciceri, hello
[15:15:44] <gpciceri> hello Darryl, how are you ?
[15:32:07] <Maniac> good
[15:32:16] <Maniac> got supybot speaking jabber yet?
[16:15:37] <Maniac> hmm, i should make a DM for my roundup tracker
[17:39:27] <jack-e> bye
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